first irc chat
Below is the irc log from the meeting on the 7 october 2009:
mortendk 19:51:39 pingelingpoooooong
mortendk 19:51:56 rings the bell 9 minuts to Q&A copenhagen
gusaus 19:53:10 there's a meeting on #drupal-sprints too
mortendk 19:54:14 gusaus : well what can we do ;)
mortendk 19:54:44 what on drupal-sprint ... and do anyone have an idea about all the drupal irc rooms :)
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Tiburon 19:54:47 gusaus : link to sprints agenda?
gusaus 19:54:55 mortendk : i've already been putting out some feelers
Druplicon 19:55:10 http://groups.drupal.org/node/28628 => Sprint mentorship and funding review => 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions
mortendk 19:55:13 well if its a sprint - then there done soon ;)
Tiburon 19:55:27 mortendk : heh
gusaus 19:55:46 heh - first one is for the media sprint
mortendk 19:56:17 gusaus : well we have this meeting planned for a week + so were gonna start it in 5 anyways ;)
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Tiburon 19:56:54 gusaus : thank you for the link
mortendk 19:57:04 gusaus : you know our viking thing - were just hammering doors ind ;)
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gusaus 19:57:38 mortendk : i'm pretty used to hanging out in about 20 rooms - there will be plenty more sprints (many virtual) :)
mortendk 19:58:37 thinks theres a law that my server have to bee down when it shouldnt be
Tiburon 19:59:08 1 minutte for meeting
mortendk 19:59:24 runs for ze coffee
mortendk 20:00:15 back
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mortendk 20:00:27 so should we see if theres anyone out there :)
mortendk 20:00:37 rings the bell
zorpPopstar 20:00:48 ding ding
mortendk 20:01:13 So welcome everyone :) thanx for joining and showing the interest in the proposal from copenhagen
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mortendk 20:01:52 ofcourse the server that haves our proposal is down at this moment - it should be up any minute now
kvantomme 20:01:54 good evening
mortendk 20:02:03 kvantomme : hey :)
isabell 20:02:06 hello everyone
kvantomme 20:02:38 do we have people from all 3 proposals here tonight?
timmillwood 20:02:46 London++
kvantomme 20:02:46 or mostly the dk proposal?
mortendk 20:02:48 kvantomme : dont know
timmillwood 20:02:50 ;)
kvantomme 20:02:58 Berlin anyone ?
mortendk 20:03:00 kvantomme : london & berlin have been silent for a week
isabell 20:03:35 kvantomme : let the man speak :)
kvantomme 20:03:46 mortendk : but in comparison to your awesome megaphone anybody would seem silent of course
mortendk 20:03:46 which we must say is a bit dissapointment - were hoping for an open talk that will push drupalcon forward :/
zorpPopstar 20:03:54 dk is here with: mortendk zorpPopstar naxoc Tiburon johsw beltofte mikl wulff
zorpPopstar 20:04:00 did I forget any
timmillwood 20:04:07 London is winning 2011 poll
Bergzilla 20:04:08 me
mortendk 20:04:14 kvantomme : he he well if we should have any chance in the voting we need to kick ass
kvantomme 20:04:47 so who is going to chair this discussion tonight? And how do we structure it?
mortendk 20:05:10 kvantomme : im gonna take most of the questions with the rest backing me up
mortendk 20:05:43 zorpPopstar : is gonna count hands
kvantomme 20:05:43 so we do first DK, then London? that good for you timmillwood ?
timmillwood 20:06:04 kvantomme : Thats what I've voted for
mortendk 20:06:24 timmillwood : get out of the voting stuff and lets talk confrence
isabell 20:06:33 :)
mortendk 20:06:43 so guys were ready shooot ;)
kvantomme 20:06:47 Isabell you wanna start?
zorpPopstar 20:06:49 Anyone... hands system
mortendk 20:07:26 did people read our proposal?
mortendk 20:07:35 should we start with Questions to that
timmillwood 20:08:07 What do you think about having an exhibition at DC?
mortendk 20:08:50 its a possibility
mortendk 20:09:14 but we really are most focused on the social aspect of a confrence
isabell 20:09:22 oh sorry
isabell 20:09:25 was gone for a sec
kvantomme 20:09:48 ok, so my nr. 1: you mentioned several conference centers/hotels, do you know anything about room distributions/prices?
mortendk 20:09:50 we dont think that a drupalcon is for exhibitions its for getting the community together
isabell 20:10:34 but it is also about companies and their involvement and the networking between them and the community
mortendk 20:10:39 we have no idea yet about the prices
zorpPopstar 20:10:48 kvantomme : will be answered when exhibitions is finished
mortendk 20:10:56 isabell : yup we have mentioned the tradefair in our proposal
kvantomme 20:11:03 yep, might need to switch to hand in the end ;)
timmillwood 20:11:10 I'd love to see sun, dell, Microsoft, etc showing of their stuff at DC.
mortendk 20:11:12 naxoc : you on
mortendk 20:11:23 so hand system zorpPopstar
naxoc 20:11:23 About prices and venue..
isabell 20:11:59 mortendk : so it is important to have exhibitions?
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naxoc 20:12:05 Like mortendk says, we don not know prices yet, but room distribution in most of the places looks a bit like in DC
mortendk 20:12:11 isabell : yup but its not number 1
isabell 20:12:21 of course
mortendk 20:12:29 the drupalcon.dk site is up again
zorpPopstar 20:13:08 i'm really bad at this ... first time looking out for hands :) just so you know
kvantomme 20:13:28 hand
mortendk 20:13:31 the main venue were looking at now is about 5000 m3
isabell 20:13:58 this one: Øksnehallen
isabell 20:14:00 ?
mortendk 20:14:06 isabell : yup
mortendk 20:14:13 its as central as we can get
mortendk 20:14:24 aka DGI byen
isabell 20:14:56 what about the possibility of the distribution of rooms?
isabell 20:15:10 have you got any info on that?
mortendk 20:15:14 isabell : øksen hallen can be build as we want it
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isabell 20:15:22 in terms of noise, size, quantity
kvantomme 20:15:34 but doesn't that mean we're going to have bad acoustics?
mortendk 20:15:37 its one of the main exebition halls in cph
naxoc 20:15:50 is looking for a rooms example
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mortendk 20:15:53 kvantomme : nopes they had a ton of confrence ther e
mortendk 20:16:15 but offcourse if the cant guaranty it - we will scrap em
kvantomme 20:16:34 with lots of small rooms? I would definitely check back on that.
zorpPopstar 20:16:39 and we have plenty of other possibilities should øksnehallen not be good
isabell 20:16:47 of course you do
mortendk 20:16:49 naxoc : found the map
isabell 20:17:00 but if this is a good palce according to you..
isabell 20:17:01 ok great
mortendk 20:17:13 isabell : just one of the good places
naxoc 20:17:19 It is in danish, but if you know that Max. personer means max persons you are good
kvantomme 20:17:23 Blue host will do a big step towards choosing/evaluating
zorpPopstar 20:17:48 are we good on this ?
isabell 20:17:49 blueprojects :)
mortendk 20:17:52 kvantomme : we know -thats one of the reasons that we only have put pointers towards 4 venues
gdemet 20:18:08 hand
zorpPopstar 20:18:25 kvantomme : your up
mortendk 20:18:37 were getting new one into the radar right now on a day to day basis (carlsberg breweri - which is closed now is the newest in our list)
kvantomme 20:18:40 damn, now I'm also doing it
zorpPopstar 20:18:58 sorry mortendk thought we were done on this
mortendk 20:19:22 zorpPopstar : i think were good
zorpPopstar 20:19:29 kvantomme : your turn
kvantomme 20:19:39 how big is the chance we are going to get international companies show up in Copenhagen?
amye 20:19:48 hand
kvantomme 20:19:51 from outside the community
mortendk 20:19:54 kvantomme : if you talk about companies like microsoft ?
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mortendk 20:20:09 pretty huge they have a crush on dk (not fluff)
zorpPopstar 20:20:26 M$ has huge office in DK so they will show up
isabell 20:20:42 you want to do a camp next year, right? have u got any contacts to new companies?
mortendk 20:20:47 were gonna market this as the dirst co2 green it confrence in the world
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naxoc 20:20:50 Google also likes Denmark
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zorpPopstar 20:20:52 and the Umbraco guys will turn up with the .NET crowd
mortendk 20:21:14 so it should be a good way to brand drupal as more than just acms
mortendk 20:21:34 so if they want to be a part of the Green mean druapl thing - then they bette be here
mortendk 20:21:55 kvantomme : answered you question or?
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kvantomme 20:22:22 think so
zorpPopstar 20:22:28 gdemet : your turn
kvantomme 20:22:35 hand
mortendk 20:22:36 but offcourse we can guarenti anything ;)
isabell 20:22:37 hand
gdemet 20:22:58 so of the venues picked, i'm assuming the hotels have AC/climate control, any word about the other two?
mortendk 20:23:34 gdemet : dont think you need AC in denmark ;)
naxoc 20:23:38 AC is not vvery common in DK
zorpPopstar 20:23:55 gdemet : do you think in regards of going Green all the way
zorpPopstar 20:24:03 staying at co2 friendly hotel
zorpPopstar 20:24:31 or just comfort
mortendk 20:24:32 we will try to go as green as possible at the venue aswe can get
gdemet 20:24:39 i'm obviously in favor of being as carbon-neutral as possible (like Palantir), but i also think attendees should be comfortable too
mortendk 20:24:46 we cant force the audience to go 120% that way
mortendk 20:24:58 gdemet : no worries were not fanatics
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zorpPopstar 20:25:15 we have very good conditions in regards of comfort .... we are the happiest people on earth :)
mortendk 20:25:26 sepetember in dk is pretty good weather its about 20celctius out side
mortendk 20:26:01 gdemet : so we will not force people to hug threes etc only shower in rain water etc
naxoc 20:26:04 20 c = 68 f
gdemet 20:26:14 right, i just want to be sure that whatever venue is selected is comfortable inside so attnedees aren't either shivering or sweating
mortendk 20:26:19 but we will put up bikes to produce the energy for our labtops etc
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mortendk 20:26:45 gdemet : nopes no worries :)
mortendk 20:26:57 its good inside and awesome outsite
kvantomme 20:27:07 how many bikes do you need for the overhead projectors :D
gdemet 20:27:08 mortendk : but i'm a big +1 on anything to reduce drupalcon's carbon footprint
mortendk 20:27:18 kvantomme : loads and dries is gonna ride it
zorpPopstar 20:27:29 gdemet : we will not force anyone to reuse the coffe cup ... we will just encourage
gdemet 20:27:33 lol
zorpPopstar 20:27:43 and there will be normal power sockets too
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mortendk 20:28:08 gdemet : yup were are to2 and when we got news that a danish rock festical just did a co2 neutral festival we thought hell yeah thats what were gonna do
mortendk 20:28:32 meetings are set up with them next week so if we dont get drupalcon - the next drupalcamp will be co2 neutral
zorpPopstar 20:28:32 gdemet : did his answer it ?
mortendk 20:28:43 sorry about my spelling btw
zorpPopstar 20:28:47 me to
gdemet 20:28:49 zorpPopstar : yup, i'm good
zorpPopstar 20:28:57 amye : your turn
mortendk 20:29:29 amye : felst asleep ?
amye 20:29:36 Thanks for putting this part on.
amye 20:29:59 Following up with the questions on the proposal.. talk more about the business sessions?
mortendk 20:30:03 amye : you welcome its the DA that wanted full transparency were just humble servants
amye 20:30:31 In terms of attracting both Denmark/international business, and project implementation tracks.
mortendk 20:30:51 were dragging the swedes
mortendk 20:31:09 to make sure its not only gonna be a "small" danish group of companies
kvantomme 20:31:25 what about German companies?
mortendk 20:31:32 kvantomme : offcourse
kvantomme 20:31:33 that's pretty close too
mortendk 20:31:42 yup an hour away
mortendk 20:32:01 we know that denmark allways will be associated with scandinavia
mortendk 20:32:13 so its only natural for us to make it into a scandinavian eventy
zorpPopstar 20:32:17 and we want to reach out to Norway ...
mortendk 20:32:55 so a combination of lego & ikea ;)
mortendk 20:33:19 no were offcourse gonna make an outreach and market this as a scandinavian event
wulff 20:33:28 part of the drupal in business track will cover succesful drupal implementation projects
amye 20:33:44 Clarification: Business is a big track and up until now, has been a lot of 'well, we're not themers, and we're not designers'. How do you want to encourage more business?
zorpPopstar 20:33:45 and we will present real business cases where the client (net the developer) will present their use of Drupal
mortendk 20:34:10 amye : okay concrete in dk drupal are taking over the newspaper industry
wulff 20:34:17 at least to local media companies will be on hand to present, and we'll reach out to businesses in the region to present their success stories
mortendk 20:35:05 amye : we need to show the tox's that drupal can drive business forwrd
mortendk 20:35:22 the newspaper angle would be a logical succes story
amye 20:35:55 Great, thx.
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mortendk 20:35:58 both danish & swedish (where were standing strong
zorpPopstar 20:36:02 We will make sure to do our best to get people from Lego, danfos, Grundfos, Novo, Lundbeck etc etc show up and hear about others success
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kvantomme 20:36:24 next?
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isabell 20:36:33 hand
mortendk 20:36:34 zorpPopstar : next?
zorpPopstar 20:36:35 kvantomme : that you
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isabell 20:37:33 kvantomme : are you asking or am i?
mortendk 20:37:39 kvantomme : ??
zorpPopstar 20:37:48 kvantomme : shoud we move on
isabell 20:37:53 alright
zorpPopstar 20:37:57 isabell : your up
mortendk 20:37:57 isabell : he he are you ganging up on us ;)
isabell 20:38:13 I have two and they were already covered a bit
mortendk 20:38:26 isabell : well the floor is yours
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kvantomme1 20:38:43 I've been in Scandinavia before and it's pretty expensive, what's the price range of cheap accomodation in copenhagen?
isabell 20:39:01 noty yet :)
kvantomme1 20:39:07 I liked the Foobar by the way, I think that partly solves that issue
mortendk 20:39:13 zorpPopstar : you got the prices right
zorpPopstar 20:39:24 hang on
mortendk 20:39:45 kvantomme : yup thats one of the reason for that
mortendk 20:39:46 i was pretty low on cash after paris ;)
zorpPopstar 20:39:56 kvantomme1 : Hostel is from DKK 125 ---- single hotel room is from DKK 475
zorpPopstar 20:40:10 hang on will convert
zorpPopstar 20:40:20 all including WIFI by the way
mortendk 20:40:20 well actually its also for getting a better place for people to hanf out afterwards
zorpPopstar 20:40:35 475 = 65 EUR
zorpPopstar 20:40:53 125 = 17 EUR
mortendk 20:41:05 kvantomme : but it is an issue that were looking into
zorpPopstar 20:41:19 and we are working on making a deal with Wonderful Copenhagen so we can get better rooms at cheaper rates
mortendk 20:41:26 we know that copenhagen and london are in top 10
zorpPopstar 20:41:43 but in my experience accommodation is just as exspensive in Berlin, London, Paris ... as in Copenhagen
mortendk 20:41:43 but were taking care of business -and not only for those who wanna booze
isabell 20:41:47 EasyToBook.com contacted me and want to be partner
kvantomme1 20:41:51 are there any good appartment renting resources?
zorpPopstar 20:42:06 yes, hang on wulff you posted a link
isabell 20:42:32 once the city is chosen, I will put the person in charge in contact with the company, so deals can be made for accommodation
mortendk 20:42:53 isabell : yup we are though working also with personal connections
isabell 20:43:25 mortendk : just something that might help :)
mortendk 20:43:27 a very danish way of doing stuff now the person do a deal
mortendk 20:43:35 isabell : yup we know :)
mortendk 20:43:46 and were grapping it all in
zorpPopstar 20:44:13 for the Climate conference in CPH next month they also do private housing .... we could do the same for the Con
isabell 20:44:22 meaning?
mortendk 20:44:48 isabell : that we hooking all contacts in that we possible can
mortendk 20:44:50 we have a 12+ crew right now
isabell 20:45:21 so, i could sleep at your house, accompanied by your dog? :D
mortendk 20:45:29 isabell : yuo and my cat
mortendk 20:45:34 but its an apartment
mortendk 20:45:35 ;)
isabell 20:45:47 well..appartement, house...who cares :D
wulff 20:45:48 isabell : cop15 is connecting conference attendees with people in dk with a bed to spare. a fancy form of couch-surfing, basically.
zorpPopstar 20:46:05 so accommodation is it covered .. kvantomme1
zorpPopstar 20:46:17 if so .. moving on to isabell
mortendk 20:46:28 else we can cover it later :)
isabell 20:46:32 alright
isabell 20:46:39 now I have already 3 questions
zorpPopstar 20:47:00 isabell : great, then we are keept busy
kvantomme1 20:47:27 fine for me
isabell 20:47:29 1) how do you want to reduce carbon footprint, concerning food and uses for catering? how feasible is it to offer organic food?
mortendk 20:47:56 isabell : were in contact now with "aarstiderne" which is an organic food campany
mortendk 20:48:13 they havent yet returned with prices but we will put them online asap i got em
mortendk 20:48:34 the cups and glasses will be "banned " from the confrence
mortendk 20:49:01 we have loads of swag - and instrad of making stickers etc we will follow up on the idea
zorpPopstar 20:49:07 beer at foobar will be served in 100% organic cups
mortendk 20:49:13 that we saw in paris with having a kantine to dring of
mortendk 20:49:35 zorpPopstar : actually i got the contact to some badd ass plastic cops that we can reuse :)
zorpPopstar 20:49:42 t-shirts will be organic to the bone
isabell 20:49:43 are 100% organic cups more environmentally friendly than glasses?
zorpPopstar 20:49:50 isabell : yes
zorpPopstar 20:49:54 Will find the info
mortendk 20:49:55 and people can by afterwords as they own drupal sourvenir
isabell 20:50:05 alright, i didnt know that
mortendk 20:50:13 isabell : basically we wanna be as organic as possible
mortendk 20:50:18 but and a big one
isabell 20:50:30 of course, organic however does not always mean less carbon footprint
mortendk 20:50:38 isabell : nopes
zorpPopstar 20:51:08 It is estimated that an astounding 97% of cups used at Roskilde’s concession stands are brought back for recycling … and many attendees have recouped the cost of their ticket while helping to keep the environment clean.
mortendk 20:51:12 isabell : we know and we will not go out where its not possbile without making evertything psycho complicated
isabell 20:51:35 hmm...I still could argue with the glasses and recycable cups
mortendk 20:51:38 isabell : and the water
isabell 20:51:39 but maybe not for now
isabell 20:51:45 the water i agree
isabell 20:51:54 in Germany it is normal to drink tab water
mortendk 20:52:04 isabell : in dk we have better tap water
mortendk 20:52:18 than we got in the bottles - and im not kidding
mortendk 20:52:22 so all water will be tap water -
isabell 20:52:23 you wanna get into a fight? ;)
kvantomme1 20:52:32 mortendk : but we already know that everything is better in dk right :D
isabell 20:52:33 yes
mortendk 20:52:34 isabell : nope were just staging the fast
isabell 20:52:40 :)
mortendk 20:52:48 kvantomme1 : he he on the greenside youre danmn right ;)
kvantomme1 20:53:06 next?
johsw 20:53:06 isabell : in cph the water is so pure, that you can swim in the harbour
isabell 20:53:15 alright
isabell 20:53:20 can I get a second one?
kvantomme1 20:53:25 sure
mortendk 20:53:27 isabell : actually were laughing our asses of people who are buying bittled water - cause its not better than the tap
zorpPopstar 20:53:33 isabel no other hands in the air
isabell 20:53:37 ok
kvantomme1 20:53:45 consider my hand in the air ;)
zorpPopstar 20:53:46 so your up for the rest of the evening
mortendk 20:53:52 notes that he needs to get the documentation for that so isabell will know that danes are perfect ;)
isabell 20:54:06 you talked about involving the rest of scandinavia
mortendk 20:54:11 isabell : shoout :)
mortendk 20:54:19 isabell : we are right now
isabell 20:54:31 how will you do that? are you also looking into finding potential new companies/users...
mortendk 20:54:32 the "remove the paper from drupalcon" action is one now
isabell 20:54:32 ?
zorpPopstar 20:54:41 check our planning page, Finland & Sweden are represented
mortendk 20:54:44 we hooked in the first swedes today from malmö
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mortendk 20:54:59 zorpPopstar : the norweigian cmmunity is kinda dead right now
mortendk 20:55:28 but as the brotherpeople we are (and nor playing football against them) were gonna push to them and get em in on the tracl
zorpPopstar 20:55:30 but we will bring some air to them, mortendk
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mortendk 20:55:43 isabell : first of all
mortendk 20:56:01 were gonna send people to their camps in stockholm and helsinki
mortendk 20:56:07 (and prag)
isabell 20:56:16 brag* :D
mortendk 20:56:25 to get them personally involved in the drupalcon
mortendk 20:56:38 so they know its not only a danish event
isabell 20:56:40 personally, as in?
mortendk 20:57:01 as in hello im morten, rasmus, jens etc i want you to come to drupalcon copenhagen
isabell 20:57:19 ok, so just to attend, and not to help organise?
zorpPopstar 20:57:21 and I want to help making drupalcon Cph happen
isabell 20:57:24 ok
mortendk 20:57:32 we kow that personal attendees to events ansd telling people whats gonna happend and listen to them
mortendk 20:57:42 will make them more curous of whats gonna happen
zorpPopstar 20:57:43 We have got okay from the swedes already, they want to help
mortendk 20:57:55 instead of expecting them to go and read a webpage
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mortendk 20:58:14 isabell : the first swedes are on right now to help build an iphone app
kvantomme 20:58:29 _next_?
mortendk 20:58:32 so were not ever never gonna have paper on a confrence - were geeks ;)
wulff 20:58:38 isabell : not just to attend, but to present as well
isabell 20:58:50 ok, so attend, present, and organise?
mortendk 20:58:59 isabell : yup
isabell 20:59:03 thanks
isabell 20:59:05 last one,
isabell 20:59:06 ?
mortendk 20:59:15 and offcourse were gonna have a good old fussball match against the swedes ;)
zorpPopstar 20:59:16 isabell : kvantomme first
zorpPopstar 20:59:21 then you again
zorpPopstar 20:59:29 kvantomme : fire away
kvantomme 20:59:33 nr 3: you've hit the road running, will you be able to sustain this effort?
mortendk 20:59:42 kvantomme : yes!
isabell 20:59:53 what makes you say that?
mortendk 20:59:54 we have been waiting for this a couple of years
mortendk 20:59:58 since
mortendk 21:00:05 szeged we have been talking about this
mortendk 21:00:16 we have been doing the last 2 camps internationally
mortendk 21:00:27 because we wanna reachout and not sit and wait
mortendk 21:00:49 isabell : cause we now have the 12+ dedicated team that are on this
kvantomme 21:00:54 I guess Mortendk , you are nr 1 from the team, who would be your nr 2?
mortendk 21:01:11 and were gonna double pack every role so if one falls down another one takes onver
zorpPopstar 21:01:15 kvantomme : hang on while we fight it out
mortendk 21:01:35 tryes out my highlanmder voice there can be only one
mortendk 21:01:48 kvantomme : we have several candidates
Tiburon 21:01:49 pulls out an axe and heads over to #drupal-denmark
mortendk 21:02:05 i will not point to one right now
zorpPopstar 21:02:07 we have a very strong community in DK... when it is time to step up .. we step up like we have done now
mortendk 21:02:17 but rest asure we will have that pointed out next wednesday
NikLP 21:02:17 mortendk : who wants to live forever? ;)
kvantomme 21:02:22 I had a great tandem partner, so I know how important it is
isabell 21:02:30 yes...
johsw 21:02:37 I dont see a need for ranking
mortendk 21:02:37 kvantomme : yup and no one can pull this off just one or 2
mortendk 21:02:51 you can see our talks about this at the site :)
kvantomme 21:03:03 I think it's important to have 2 co-leads
kvantomme 21:03:09 hehe ok
mortendk 21:03:23 kvantomme : actually look at out site we have the debate right now about funding
mortendk 21:03:45 where i was a big quick to yeall out orders :) - we are a collective (is that the right word in english)
kvantomme 21:04:20 ok next Isabel
isabell 21:04:20 community?
mortendk 21:04:22 kvantomme : but yes you are right we dont expect that its gonna be a top down management
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johsw 21:04:35 mortendk : it is exactly the right word!! :-)
mortendk 21:04:39 isabell : yup kicking ass and chewing gum - what ya wanna know
isabell 21:04:50 about the foobar :-)
mortendk 21:04:52 johsw : yup were bunch of hippies with axes
isabell 21:04:59 what is the plan, how, what, where, when?
mortendk 21:05:01 isabell : yup
mortendk 21:05:08 okay let me take this one
isabell 21:05:18 where does the financing come from?
mortendk 21:05:34 to get it done ? its gonna be self financed
isabell 21:05:40 by?
mortendk 21:05:44 we got better deals with bars
mortendk 21:05:52 the stuff that people drinks
isabell 21:06:20 i am more interested about the setting up of the bar and everything involved and how this is going to be managed
mortendk 21:06:22 and backed up by local business -were gonna eter sell out the naming for the beers as a part of the sponsorshipts
mortendk 21:06:31 okay
mortendk 21:06:40 were gonna have a tema with about 10 people in it
isabell 21:06:46 i dont htink you will have problems having beer sponsored :)
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mortendk 21:06:54 2 of them have experience with running bars
mortendk 21:07:04 isabell : nopes my point exactly
mortendk 21:07:21 the team is not gonna be a part of the "normal" crew
mortendk 21:07:32 cause they gonna run a bar, acafe and clean up
mortendk 21:07:50 its gonna hopefully be a part of the venue
mortendk 21:08:04 which means that we hope to be in very close contact with the blueevent guys
mortendk 21:08:24 if that cant be done we have a couple of spots thats gonna be near by where we gonna rent us in
mortendk 21:08:53 its not only gonna be a booze bar - we gonna have an area thats dedicated to the non boozers
farriss 21:08:57 hand
kvantomme 21:08:59 I think it's an awesome idea, if you can make it work
mortendk 21:09:06 so thye can hang out code have a good time
isabell 21:09:09 i agree
mortendk 21:09:10 kvantomme : it can :)
mortendk 21:09:23 offcours people can still go out
mortendk 21:09:33 but we wanna have that place where you can hang out afterwards
kvantomme 21:09:45 farriss : we have an altered hand system today: hand only needed for new topics
isabell 21:09:50 will you maintain it afterwards?
mortendk 21:09:52 + we having a commodore 64 tribute band!
farriss 21:09:56 apologies for being late
mortendk 21:10:07 farriss : its okay :)
mortendk 21:10:22 isabell : afterwards?
mortendk 21:10:25 like open forever ?
isabell 21:10:29 after the drupalcon
mortendk 21:10:40 a couple of days yes
isabell 21:10:50 for other events?
isabell 21:10:54 ok
mortendk 21:10:55 cause we need to do something for all the poeple that have helped us
mortendk 21:11:12 isabell : well were hoping that it will be a drupalcon tradition to make fooBARs
isabell 21:11:13 so it is really just a one time bar
mortendk 21:11:20 isabell : yup
isabell 21:11:32 ok
isabell 21:11:34 thank you
kvantomme 21:11:36 _next_?
mortendk 21:11:42 yup else we cant keep the beer prices down and come around the law ;)
mortendk 21:12:08 whos next ?
zorpPopstar 21:12:17 did farriss have a question ?
zorpPopstar 21:12:23 if not no one is up
farriss 21:12:24 yup: two
kvantomme 21:12:31 hand after farris
zorpPopstar 21:12:34 you on
zorpPopstar 21:12:54 farriss :
farriss 21:13:01 1) As a typical, pathetic American, I don't speak Danish. Will non-Danish speakers have trouble navigating non-Drupalcon places?
mortendk 21:13:11 no
mortendk 21:13:30 we only have 3 stupid signs you dont have æ ø å
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zorpPopstar 21:13:47 every dane will speak to you in your native language and the signs will be easy to understand
kvantomme 21:13:48 I know students that go work/study in Dk and all they need is English, Danes are really good in English
mortendk 21:13:51 and everydane speaks english (we subtitle everything)
isabell 21:14:20 not like the french people ;)
mortendk 21:14:29 we didnt say that ;)
isabell 21:14:35 i did
mortendk 21:14:38 farriss : acrtually we have 2 american girls
zorpPopstar 21:14:39 no one pointed fingers :)
farriss 21:14:41 Sweet. I can continue to get by because of the excellent European school system. 2) Sponsors: can you talk a bit more about the trade fair that was referenced in the proposal? What are the plans for sponsors?
mortendk 21:14:51 that are married with some of the drupallers
mortendk 21:14:58 they are gonna make small videospots
mortendk 21:15:10 thats gonna tell you alleabout fuck up dansish traditions
farriss 21:15:26 LOL, sounds fab.
mortendk 21:15:41 yup we dont wanna get people tio be runned down by a bicycle
mortendk 21:15:50 and you will ;)
mortendk 21:15:54 okay back to sponsors
gusaus 21:16:35 can't believe there are competing marketing type meetings at the same time
mortendk 21:16:36 So we have a lot of companies here that wanna do stuff like
mortendk 21:16:49 gusaus : well ;)
mortendk 21:17:08 getting their clients in so they can see the army of geeks
mortendk 21:17:14 that are "working for them"
mortendk 21:17:23 aka all the codes that are working hard at drupal
zorpPopstar 21:17:27 getting clients to sponsor as well
mortendk 21:17:52 but we need to be able to get people a job to ;)
mortendk 21:18:10 so let companies get into the whole grap a new client / grab a new co worker
mortendk 21:18:32 we wanna make it a bit more central than it was in paris
mortendk 21:18:44 it was kinda hard to figure out where they actually was
mortendk 21:18:50 (not to point fingers )
mortendk 21:19:14 farriss : good enough or you want mre :)
farriss 21:19:28 so is the idea that the trade fair is a one day thing or runs the whole time?
mortendk 21:20:00 we would have main sponsros to show up all the time
mortendk 21:20:06 but we should make it an event
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mortendk 21:20:41 farriss : but to be 120% honest we only know we want it there and we wanna
farriss 21:20:53 ok
mortendk 21:20:55 give the oppertunity for geeks to get a job
mortendk 21:20:58 if that makes sence
mortendk 21:21:12 and give the companies a chance to find better help
mortendk 21:21:28 we wanna go with the same plan that were doing with the bofs
zorpPopstar 21:21:39 and show their appreciation
gusaus 21:21:40 how many geeks going to drupalcons are actually looking for jobs?
mortendk 21:22:01 gusaus : if its better than the one they had before ;)
mortendk 21:22:24 a kinda trade master that can blast out that we ned 21213 themers ...
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kvantomme 21:22:46 I guess the actual details could still be worked out depending on the venue and the recommendations of Blueproject
mortendk 21:22:55 gusaus : people are always looking for better jobs
johsw 21:23:00 kvantomme : exactly
mortendk 21:23:05 kvantomme : yup we dont have everythng planned out yet
kvantomme 21:23:10 so next?
mortendk 21:23:12 we only had 14 days you know ;)
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isabell 21:23:35 only? thought you have been at it for a year already /D
isabell 21:23:37 :D
mortendk 21:23:38 zorpPopstar : whos next
zorpPopstar 21:23:46 welcome tobiassjosten
zorpPopstar 21:23:49 sweden is here
mortendk 21:23:57 isabell : yup on the drawing board caleed drupalcamp ;)
zorpPopstar 21:23:58 next up for question is kvantomme
tobiassjosten 21:24:03 Howdy. :)
kvantomme 21:24:07 my 4th and last question: related to sponsors: if the local companies pay for a full time organizer, doesn't that reduce the possible sponsor revenue? How will these companies get visibility? What are they going to have to pay for this?
mortendk 21:24:34 kvantomme : yup offcourse some will not be able to put in the same amount
kvantomme 21:24:41 e.g. what is the total estimated cost and how much is that per company
mortendk 21:24:59 kvantomme : afaik we dont have the athority to make sponsordeals on behalf of drupalcon
kvantomme 21:25:26 yep that's the thing, I think this might get into the sponsorship waters.
mortendk 21:25:34 so unless we get that athority
mortendk 21:26:02 were gonna get the hat and go around to all the local business and tell them what the deal is and get some $ ;)
kvantomme 21:26:09 to clarify: if a DK company pays x EUR for the organizer, he will expect the same visibility as a sponsor that payed that amount
mortendk 21:26:32 kvantomme : if we dont have that athority from the DA we cant do that
mortendk 21:26:38 so we need to go otherways
isabell 21:26:52 or even more, as he is "directly" involved in organising. at least more so than normal sponsors
mortendk 21:26:53 -that could be the foobar where we would sell some of that to
mortendk 21:27:31 so a sponsor would get recognition that way
zorpPopstar 21:27:50 local companies will get exposure in other places.... maybe not at the venue itself, but at mortendk says foobar is one place
mortendk 21:27:52 Thats why we are considering paying organizers through DA - That way sponsors can pay indirectly for the organizer
farriss 21:28:06 +1
mortendk 21:28:10 we would offcourse hope that da came with a million
kvantomme 21:28:11 I guess this is you guys way of splitting the load, not 1 shop ponies up a FT, but you split the costs right?
mortendk 21:28:14 but thats not gonna happen
mortendk 21:28:33 so we are putting the responsibility on our own shouldes
mortendk 21:28:43 kvantomme : yup
kvantomme 21:29:00 I guess it could work in Scandinavia :P
mortendk 21:29:13 we know offcourse an envent this size will bring business to us
mortendk 21:29:33 and that we can bang heads harder when we have an event that will make the news in dk
zorpPopstar 21:29:53 and the news in se not to forget
kvantomme 21:30:12 but still you'll need to dehair this with the sponsorship distribution and the DA I guess
mortendk 21:30:31 johsw : is on our mediastrategy so were gonna create a ton of small stories that are gonna be tailored for the different medias
mortendk 21:30:37 kvantomme : yup
mortendk 21:30:51 we have no idea of how its been done before
kvantomme 21:30:55 ok next?
mortendk 21:31:07 so were gonna be the guinnepigs for this ;)
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mortendk 21:31:23 zorpPopstar : whos up?
farriss 21:31:23 given what happened in Copenhagen last week, what assurances do we have that if awarded Drupalcon 2010, that you will not suddenly announce that the next con will be in Rio instead of Chicago 2011? :)
zorpPopstar 21:31:25 ...wich is also why we do it in the open so the next city can see what we did
zorpPopstar 21:31:38 no one is on the list, mortendk
mortendk 21:31:44 farriss : he he he
zorpPopstar 21:32:03 farriss : you should not have sent the BIG O
gusaus_ 21:32:08 rio would be awesome :D
Tiburon 21:32:13 zorpPopstar : I think isabell have one more Q
gdemet 21:32:21 Did Oprah not give you all free cars?
isabell 21:32:23 no, not now
mortendk 21:32:25 well if you remebmer to send you president to the clima convention we will keep drupalcon in scandinavia forever ;)
mortendk 21:32:37 gdemet : nopes we ride bikes ;)
Tiburon 21:32:48 isabell : ok :-)
mortendk 21:32:49 are we done with 1 round?
mortendk 21:32:56 do others have questions?
zorpPopstar 21:32:56 we are done
mortendk 21:33:08 rude remarks anything - we are ready for it :)
mortendk 21:33:18 and were gonna do this again next wednesday
tobiassjosten 21:33:24 mortendk : We have already cleared the free pölse, so I'm good. :)
farriss 21:33:26 promises not to ask Obama to go to Drupalcon
isabell 21:33:34 haha
mortendk 21:33:37 he he
Tiburon 21:33:45 heh
mortendk 21:33:49 and about the year of 2010 of 2011
mortendk 21:33:52 or even
mortendk 21:33:55 ill try again
kvantomme 21:34:03 what's up with the king of denmark any chance he'll attend?
farriss 21:34:04 ok, I'll go there
mortendk 21:34:09 were putting ourself up for ether 2010 or 2011
mortendk 21:34:16 kvantomme : hes a prince right now
farriss 21:34:25 can you pull it off in 2010 given how much time you have?
gusaus_ 21:34:30 are there guidelines or a template of some sort established from previous drupalcons - errr... like how to put together a successful event? and what determines if one is successful?
mortendk 21:34:44 but honestly there are people looking into it if we can get him to write us a ltter or something - just for the fun of it
mortendk 21:34:55 farriss : well 11 month kinda
zorpPopstar 21:35:07 farriss : yes we can
isabell 21:35:11 :D
kvantomme 21:35:12 anytime now the belgian king's website will be relaunched in Drupal ;)
mortendk 21:35:18 thats why we began to run the second the word came out
mortendk 21:35:36 kvantomme : he he damn were gonna top that - to the barricades!
mortendk 21:35:49 farriss : we know we have an ambitious program
mortendk 21:35:51 but!
mortendk 21:36:02 we can se whats happening in SF
mortendk 21:36:23 and we wanna top that! - we wanna put a strong a dcon together as the americans
mortendk 21:36:41 thats why we are running now :)
mortendk 21:37:06 farriss : one thing
farriss 21:37:11 so is 2010 your preference?
mortendk 21:37:19 we was in szeged that alog of americans didnt come
mortendk 21:37:35 some said it was because of flights beeing to expensive
zorpPopstar 21:37:45 farriss : we have no preference, but we want it in 2010
mortendk 21:37:52 others that szeged didnt sound sexy enough
mortendk 21:37:54 and 2011
zorpPopstar 21:38:18 mortendk : yes, why kill something good
farriss 21:38:21 (as well as the fact that it required a long train trip after the flight, which you don't have to deal with in Copenhagen)
mortendk 21:38:45 i guess what were saying is we are ready for this - so what would fit the best, and if we cant get the perfect spot in cph we will wait a year
zorpPopstar 21:38:55 farriss : nope, 15 minutes from airport to city center
tobiassjosten 21:38:57 Kastrup is pretty well connected, isn't it?
mortendk 21:38:59 but not willingly - we are more than normal motivated right now
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mortendk 21:39:35 tobiassjosten : dude its more than that ;) you get a hot dog directly where you pick up the luggage and then it in the mtro and boom you inside cph 15 minuts
johsw 21:39:36 mortendk : Yes, sir!!!
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isabell 21:39:54 got a question
mortendk 21:40:03 farriss : but we wanna make sure that we dont hit the american holidays
mortendk 21:40:11 zorpPopstar : isabell ?
zorpPopstar 21:40:13 isabell :
zorpPopstar 21:40:20 your up
isabell 21:40:27 how much time are you able to spend on this per week, if selected?
isabell 21:40:35 in average, per person
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Tiburon 21:40:49 farriss : check the attached screenshot on http://drupalcon.dk/cph/node/38 ... view of all direct air routes to/from copenhagen
farriss 21:40:52 personally I like it when it happens around Labor Day
isabell 21:40:53 knowing, that you have to sleep, eat, relax, have ice cream
mortendk 21:41:05 isabell : im expecting to put in 15 of my own hours
farriss 21:41:10 has already researched direct Chicago routes via SAS
Tiburon 21:41:12 sorry farriss .... that was tobiassjosten
zorpPopstar 21:41:40 isabell : we have not done the math ... but I can speak for myself.. between 10-15 hours
mortendk 21:41:43 and beside of that some sponsored dont know yet by the rest - we all know its gonna be hard work
isabell 21:42:19 ok, thanks
mortendk 21:42:22 isabell : and were going to get a PM so its not gonna be hotheads like me that make importent choices
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isabell 21:42:39 i certainly hope not8 :D
mortendk 21:43:06 farriss : whens labor day
wulff 21:43:06 isabell : im guessing 10-15 hours, some on company time, some personal time
mortendk 21:43:06 isabell : nopes im a whip ;)
zorpPopstar 21:43:06 1 full time PM that dont speak foul langauge like mortendk
mortendk 21:43:11 zorpPopstar : he he he ;)
farriss 21:43:15 first monday in September
mortendk 21:43:33 farriss : okay
mortendk 21:43:38 then its gonna be after that one
mortendk 21:43:48 cause we wanna see you guys
farriss 21:43:51 which is fine, no worries.
mortendk 21:44:03 and put you in a viking ship (yup im not kidding)
farriss 21:44:05 keep in mind Palantir was in Szeged in force too
mortendk 21:44:13 farriss : we know :)
farriss 21:44:21 we travel for Drupalcon (and we like it)
gdemet 21:44:21 although some of our folks took the wrong train to get there...
zorpPopstar 21:44:34 okay.... ROUND 1 done
zorpPopstar 21:44:34 '
mortendk 21:44:55 so were gonna do this in a week again - so you have the time to grill us
mortendk 21:45:01 is london up ?
isabell 21:45:06 thank you for this
kvantomme 21:45:09 thx
mortendk 21:45:19 and if theres any questions please ask us on our site or personall
zorpPopstar 21:45:23 London is gone
Tiburon 21:45:39 We might be able to get conference deals on many things ... We have a meeting scheduled with Wonderful Copenhagen so they can fill us in ... The info will be available on drupalcon.dk and of cause passed on to Blue Projects.
mortendk 21:45:45 isabell : its all about making drupalcon transparent we are wery happy that you guys want to do this open
isabell 21:45:57 :)
isabell 21:45:59 me too
mortendk 21:46:02 no germany ?
kvantomme 21:46:10 I'll ping London and Berlin to set up separate meetings
isabell 21:46:13 they all got scared of the vikings
mortendk 21:46:30 isabell : and offcouse were gonna pass all our knowledge further to everyone else
gusaus 21:46:43 would be great to have some other conference organizers have open meetings and share their experiences and best practices
mortendk 21:46:58 hopefully this can set up a blueprint for how to do confrences - we have such a rich tradition in the drupal community
mortendk 21:47:15 gusaus : let me tell you its kinda hard actually
mortendk 21:47:27 especially when were not agreeing
kvantomme 21:47:27 I also really like the transparency, it's more work, but I think it's worth it, just hope nobody will chase me with a viking axe if I don't give all 3's O_o
isabell 21:47:28 thinking about having a discussion with the next team about my experiences :)
mortendk 21:47:50 isabell : we wanna hear them sometime
mortendk 21:47:54 even if we dont get selected!
kvantomme 21:48:09 I'lld love to share mine too ;)
mortendk 21:48:11 kvantomme : offcourse were gonna be dissapointed but
Tiburon 21:48:13 is checking the sharpness of his axe
mortendk 21:48:23 thats why we have a drupalcamp in may 2010
isabell 21:48:38 oh yeah i completely forgot about kvantomme :P
kvantomme 21:48:59 hehe
mortendk 21:48:59 ether we will use it as a "rehearsal" for drupalcon - and make it a international os cms confrence (drupal, wp typo3 etc0
isabell 21:49:27 well, i think it would be good to set up a meeting once the selection is official
mortendk 21:49:27 or we will make it the kick ass drupalcamp ever - that will make people go "wow wtf!"
isabell 21:49:29 kvantomme : up for it?
mortendk 21:49:39 isabell : when are we gonna get word?
kvantomme 21:49:52 isabell : sure, always
isabell 21:49:59 15th Oct according to plan
kvantomme 21:50:03 by the way, I'm organizing a drupalcamp in Ghent on the 11th-12th of December, all English. Anyone interested in giving a presentation?
mortendk 21:50:03 we kinda need to know cause were a lot of people that are waiting for the get to
gusaus 21:50:05 Drupal Dojo when up and running again will be a good place to connect all these discussions and shared experiences
isabell 21:50:09 so we have to push the DA :)
mortendk 21:50:28 holy crap we have so many english camps - we need to coordinate em
kvantomme 21:50:35 yeah, I know
Tiburon 21:50:35 isabell : kvantomme another question ... when is Blue Projects in the loop? We have contacts for direct info for them.
mortendk 21:50:38 gusaus : straight on
isabell 21:51:01 Tiburon: they are already in the loop doing their silent background search
mortendk 21:51:15 isabell : cool
isabell 21:51:29 you can publish it and send the link, we'll forward it.
mortendk 21:51:31 so we have other venues that are possible should we post then for you ?
Tiburon 21:51:44 isabell : ok
isabell 21:51:58 we try to leave them alone for now, so they can advance and do not get bombarded
isabell 21:52:26 mortendk : yes
mortendk 21:52:30 isabell : so robert told me before he resigned
kvantomme 21:52:42 Marietje already got the 3 cities, they are getting back to us by the 15th normally
mortendk 21:52:46 that top candidates would get word ealie
mortendk 21:52:58 early
isabell 21:53:25 mortendk : however, i would stick with these and wait what they come up with. u already offered a great selection
mortendk 21:53:27 do we have a log from this chat ?
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mortendk 21:54:01 isabell : yup well were not going down with out a fight ;) - thats why were on the scout everyday
Tiburon 21:54:17 isabell : well all the info is being entered into drupalcon.dk/planning ... they could join and give os their Qs there...
mortendk 21:54:28 okay anyome gonna be pissed if were gonna publish this?
isabell 21:54:35 no
isabell 21:54:39 publish it
mortendk 21:54:40 kvantomme : we wanna have full transparency
NikLP 21:54:54 transparent panties for you mortendk
mortendk 21:54:56 even that it can give london & berlin and "advantage" ;)
mortendk 21:55:04 NikLP : you would like that ;)
isabell 21:55:10 NikLP : new design for next drupalcon?
NikLP 21:55:10 yeah baby
NikLP 21:55:20 I don't wear clothers
NikLP 21:55:23 clothes
NikLP 21:55:27 so passé :p
isabell 21:55:35 tmi
mortendk 21:55:43 NikLP : please get dressed when oyoure on irc ;)
isabell 21:55:59 alright, mortendk publishes this. i suppose u will publish on both sites? (gdo and dk)
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NikLP 21:56:04 time for me to shut up and go get a beer I think... might be sobering up here *DANGER!*
mortendk 21:56:39 isabell : okay so we should be patient and wait for the 15 or would we get word ealier ?
isabell 21:56:54 mortendk : 15th
isabell 21:56:56 mort
mortendk 21:57:00 isabell : okay
mortendk 21:57:08 were gonna keep the morale high then
isabell 21:57:13 mortendk : alright, mortendk publishes this. i suppose u will publish on both sites? (gdo and dk)
mortendk 21:57:38 isabell : yup if we can get it all out of our applications
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mortendk 21:58:23 argh
isabell 21:58:27 :)
mortendk 21:58:34 goddamn shit application
mortendk 21:58:46 sorry *grrrr*
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kvantomme 21:58:57 you still have the log?
mortendk 21:59:05 i dont ? others?
mortendk 21:59:17 Tiburon: might have it ?
beltofte 21:59:41 I have some from 20.35 and forward.
mortendk 21:59:42 kvantomme : isabell farriss so are we gonna get more vetting etc?
Tiburon 21:59:48 I have the log ... will make a backup at once
kvantomme 21:59:57 I've got it too
mortendk 22:00:03 else wa wanna do a new chat in a week here same time same place :)
kvantomme 22:00:03 so ping if you need it
isabell 22:00:04 vetting?
mortendk 22:00:20 isabell : kicking us around asking us evil questions
Tiburon 22:00:22 kvantomme : thank you
kvantomme 22:00:35 well I think most of my questions were answered, what I need now is the Blueproject recommendation
mortendk 22:00:39 isabell : you know instead of just saying see you in cph 2010 ;)
kvantomme 22:00:46 e.g. what venue would be best
mortendk 22:00:48 or 2011
mortendk 22:00:54 kvantomme : yup
kvantomme 22:01:21 I now would like to hear the other proposers, I'll ping them to set up a similar meeting
isabell 22:01:22 you might want to wait with your next chat
mortendk 22:01:24 offcourse you know we can be at the venues in about 15 minuts flat
farriss 22:01:36 thanks mortendk , et al this was very helpful for me
mortendk 22:01:46 isabell : yup we were hoping to hear directly from them
isabell 22:01:53 alright
mortendk 22:02:00 and their questions not only you 3
mortendk 22:02:08 farriss : you welcome
isabell 22:02:14 i am off. thank you guys for your time and answers
mortendk 22:02:23 and we wanna ask both berlin & london hard questions ;)
mortendk 22:02:32 isabell : no worreis :)
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mortendk 22:02:51 so guess that was the first round
mortendk 22:03:11 wonder where the britts went and ze germans
zorpPopstar 22:03:59 and mortendk keept talking while everyone left the room
zorpPopstar 22:04:08 ...
mortendk 22:04:23 zorpPopstar : yup campaigning even to an empty room
kvantomme 22:04:27 see ya all!
mortendk 22:04:36 kvantomme : yup laters
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zorpPopstar 22:04:41 see ya
wulff 22:05:04 yup, ses
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mortendk 22:05:25 londooooon come out an plaaaaaaayaaayaaaa
mortendk 22:05:33 doing the worries thing
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mortendk 22:08:28 goddammit my spelling is awfull
farriss 22:08:46 mortendk : again it's better than my Danish (and almost as good as my spelling)
mortendk 22:08:56 farriss : yup ;)
mortendk 22:09:14 farriss : we will teach you to say all kinds of nice things ;)
farriss 22:09:24 I'm counting on it!
farriss 22:09:38 thanks again, I'm heading out now...
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mortendk 22:09:54 later
mortendk 22:10:05 jumping into the danish room and conspire
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