Meeting 2009-10-13 – Berlin irc Q & A
Here is the log from the Berlin teams Q & A meeting on irc. The timezone is CEST.
- DrupalCon Europe 2010 / 2011 in Berlin [UPDATE]
http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210
The chat got split up in two channels at one point:
#drupalcon
luckow 19:57:37 were ready @berlin
HornCologne 19:59:40 The current plan is for the hand system - I will lead the discussion if no one minds - I am also acting as spokesperson/coordinator for the German group.
HornCologne 20:00:23 Let's wait 2 Min. and then hit it.
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isabell 20:00:52 hello
Druplicon 20:00:52 salut
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gusaus 20:01:47 nice - hope more cities outside of Europe start doing this :)
rokr 20:01:48 hi from berlin
isabell 20:02:00 hi
luckow 20:02:19 hi isabell
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HornCologne 20:02:47 the vikings!
mortendk 20:03:11 *gaaaaaargghhhh Attaaaaack ;)
Tiburon 20:03:11 HornCologne : with axes and helmets ;-)
HornCologne 20:03:15 Okay - I see kvontomme and isabell ... who else is here officially, please?
HornCologne 20:03:33 kvantomme , sorry
macode 20:03:45 mortendk : our bears will catch you :D
HornCologne 20:03:54 And do we have enough of a quorum of inquisitors to get going?
mortendk 20:04:09 macode : bhaaaa knut is toast ;)
mortendk 20:04:21 what no english men ?
isabell 20:04:31 HornCologne : i dont think anyone else is coming. bert and tiffany are not available i think. or tiffany might join later
mortendk 20:04:55 HornCologne : and us from the north will behave :)
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HornCologne 20:05:00 okay - from now, hand system, please. Who would like to start?
HornCologne 20:05:43 ...
HornCologne 20:05:50 ...
HornCologne 20:05:55 Thank you all for coming, see you in Berlin!
HornCologne 20:05:57 :-D
mortendk 20:05:59 he he he
isabell 20:06:00 hand
isabell 20:06:03 sorry :)
mortendk 20:06:04 in 2011 ;)
HornCologne 20:06:05 isabell
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HornCologne 20:06:31 isabell , you have the floor
isabell 20:06:32 what is that transportation ticket about that i you mentioned?
HornCologne 20:06:39 ah - good question
HornCologne 20:07:03 for about 25 euros (perhaps for less depending on the number we order)
HornCologne 20:07:31 we can include an all-city transit ticket for the Berlin subways, trains and buses
HornCologne 20:07:44 it's a great deal
HornCologne 20:08:18 public transport in Berlin is extremely comprehensive
isabell 20:08:28 how would this be included? just adding tickets to the entry ticket?
HornCologne 20:08:45 so in our very-preliminary plan for the cheapest tickets
isabell 20:08:52 why wouldnt the attendees just get a week ticket themselves?
HornCologne 20:08:53 we included it as a fixed cost in the ticket price
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HornCologne 20:09:09 for one thing, we might be able to get a better price
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HornCologne 20:09:19 for another, we want people to use the public transport
isabell 20:09:29 how would u be able to get a better price?
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HornCologne 20:09:39 Link:
HornCologne 20:10:00 If we ask for 2000 week-ticket, I think we might be able to get a group discount
mortendk 20:10:43 hand
HornCologne 20:10:48 morty
kvantomme 20:10:49 hand
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HornCologne 20:10:55 Morten first, then Kristof
mortendk 20:11:00 so theres gonna be 2000?
mortendk 20:11:13 and How long is the travel time from the Hotels to the venue?
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HornCologne 20:11:19 we don't know how many, we were told to plan for 1500-2000
HornCologne 20:11:41 travel time from hotels, hostels and venue varies from 5 Minutes or less upwards
luckow 20:11:53 the travel time from city east (mitte) to tu-berlin is about 5 minutes per s-bahn
HornCologne 20:11:56 the TU is very, very centrally located
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mortendk 20:11:57 so 1.5 hours?
kvantomme 20:11:59 In the past meetings we had a slightly altered hand system: hand is for new questions, anybody is free to ask deeper questions or to ask further information if it stays on topic
HornCologne 20:12:01 within the city and transit system
HornCologne 20:12:16 good idea, Kristof.
mortendk 20:12:19 what i wanna know is the real travl time
amye 20:12:23 hand
luckow 20:12:25 10 minute per feet from city west (zoologischer garten)
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mortendk 20:12:29 in business hours
mortendk 20:12:38 and not what were gonna sell it on ;)
HornCologne 20:12:40 luckow is the Berlin lead, btw
mortendk 20:12:50 think barcelona we used 40+ to get to the venue ...
HornCologne 20:12:53 Map: http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=technische+Un...
HornCologne 20:13:04 Berlin is really built around its public transport
mortendk 20:13:18 yup but dont some of the local berlin people know?
isabell 20:13:27 i confirm :)
HornCologne 20:13:31 yes, lukow answered you
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mortendk 20:13:46 you know even if its buyild like that it can take a looong time to get from a -b
AndreasHaugstrup 20:13:55 are s-bahns running again or will they be before drupalcon? I had massive trouble moving around this summer because many s-bahn trains were not available because they were not up to code
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rokr 20:14:11 mortendk : since berlin has a s-bahn line like a circle everything within is reachable within a half hour for most places.
HornCologne 20:14:25 luckow - what about the S-Bahns?=
mortendk 20:14:35 rokr : okay but then its not 5 minuts ;)
HornCologne 20:14:58 Morten, we intend to encourage bookings in a tight zone around the venue - as a University
HornCologne 20:15:04 there is a lot going on right there
luckow 20:15:11 if you see the map, search for s-bahnhof tiergarten
fl3a 20:15:15 AndreasHaugstrup : yes, now everything about bvg is ok again
HornCologne 20:15:27 BVG = Berlin Transit Authority?
HornCologne 20:15:36 Let's move on.
HornCologne 20:15:40 Next hand was kvantomme
kvantomme 20:15:51 double question:
HornCologne 20:15:55 ;-)
luckow 20:15:56 bvg= Berliner VerkehrsbBetriebe
kvantomme 20:16:04 who will be the co-lead for luckow ?
rokr 20:16:09 mortendk : if you search hard enough you will find a hotel which is that far away, yes :-)
luckow 20:16:09 public transportation
HornCologne 20:16:15 STOP
HornCologne 20:16:19 hand system only
mortendk 20:16:36 rokr : well it wasnt 5 minuts that was my point ;) ..and now hand system
HornCologne 20:16:45 kvantomme , second part of double question?
kvantomme 20:17:09 and the other question: do you see it as a potential problem that luckow has only recently joined the drupal community (at least according to his google.org account)?
HornCologne 20:17:22 google.org?
HornCologne 20:17:24 ;-)
kvantomme 20:17:30 oops
kvantomme 20:17:33 drupal.org
kvantomme 20:17:34 hehe
HornCologne 20:17:39 Okay ...
HornCologne 20:17:56 We have several people who are "in the running", but we have been running as a pack so far.
farriss 20:18:09 hand
mortendk 20:18:17 hand
luckow 20:18:33 hand
HornCologne 20:18:34 I am one candidate, as are Florian Latzel ( fl3a ) and Frank Spade
isabell 20:19:02 how will you decide who will be the co-leads?
HornCologne 20:19:12 As to Stefan, he has already organized the Durpal stand at LInuxTag at least twice and is *very* active in the German scene.
HornCologne 20:19:51 So Stefan is not at all a potential problem from our perspective - he has Drupal and event experience - and the right attitude!
HornCologne 20:20:21 isabell : all our decisions so far have been made in consultation with each other - in the pack, as I said.
kvantomme 20:20:32 I'm asking this, cause it's a big burden taking this on, you need serious and lasting motivation, I'm not saying that Stefan doesn't have that of course
luckow 20:20:38 my first drupal version was 4.7 -> you can visit the site at http://www.nachspielzeit.org
mortendk 20:20:45 hand :)
luckow 20:20:51 please stephan not stefan
kvantomme 20:20:57 thought so
HornCologne 20:20:59 sorry stephan
HornCologne 20:21:06 so much longer to type!
isabell 20:21:08 hand
HornCologne 20:21:23 We understand why you are asking Kristof.
HornCologne 20:21:32 The next hand was amye .
mortendk 20:21:40 may i come with a follow up for kristofs ?
HornCologne 20:21:53 okay - follow up to Morten
mortendk 20:22:00 Berlin says it dont wanna have a person on fulltime, is that serious? every other drupalcon so far have cost around 2 man full time - im refering to http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210#comment-97664
HornCologne 20:22:00 go
Druplicon 20:22:01 http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210 => DrupalCon Europe 2010 / 2011 in Berlin [UPDATE] => 5 comments, 3 IRC mentions
HornCologne 20:22:15 Well, we were told very clearly
mortendk 20:22:22 isnt that pie in the sky & wishfull thinking ?
HornCologne 20:22:32 that Blue Project would be doing heavy lifting with venue, and associated issues
mortendk 20:22:42 i mean its not a camp but a drupalCON
HornCologne 20:22:48 we were also told that the DA would be doing the vast majority of sponsor coordination and finances
HornCologne 20:22:54 stop Morten
farriss 20:22:54 that is all correct.
amye 20:23:10 2 things: 1) Why Berlin and not Cologne? 2) I may not have been clear in my questions http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210#comment-96242, I'm looking to see how project management will play into the business tracks.
Druplicon 20:23:11 http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210 => DrupalCon Europe 2010 / 2011 in Berlin [UPDATE] => 5 comments, 4 IRC mentions
HornCologne 20:23:24 so we believe at this point that we will be able to manage - time will tell, I guess.
mortendk 20:23:31 HornCologne : ok :)
HornCologne 20:23:40 Now to amye ...
kvantomme 20:23:43 at least 2 months before dcon you'll have so much community mail that you will need somebody full time.
kvantomme 20:24:03 ask Isabell , she had Blueproject helping, but there was still a lot of work
amye 20:24:11 Thx, HornCologne .
HornCologne 20:24:26 That is not the message we got out of the Paris meeting, BUT our plans are not set in stone, Kristof.
farriss 20:24:28 kvantomme : the plan is to have Blueproject take on much more than in Paris
HornCologne 20:24:38 We are flexible and can set this up any way it seems necessary.
mortendk 20:25:04 hand
DamZ 20:25:15 I'm with mortendk and kvantomme that this is wishful thinking
DamZ 20:25:26 (but a common misconception inside the DA)
HornCologne 20:25:41 DamZ : I repeat, we were told in several channels that it wouldn't be allowed in a proposal or necessary
HornCologne 20:25:55 I also repeat that our plans are not set in stone - it is early days
mortendk 20:26:00 hand
HornCologne 20:26:06 Hand to this topic?
isabell 20:26:11 no
mortendk 20:26:16 nopes
isabell 20:26:21 hand after amye
HornCologne 20:26:26 Okay - amye , please repeat your question
amye 20:26:34 2 things: 1) Why Berlin and not Cologne? 2) I may not have been clear in my questions http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210#comment-96242, I'm looking to see how project management will play into the business tracks.
Druplicon 20:26:35 http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210 => DrupalCon Europe 2010 / 2011 in Berlin [UPDATE] => 5 comments, 5 IRC mentions
DamZ 20:26:45 HornCologne : it is not forbidden to have some critical thinking in your proposal
HornCologne 20:26:45 Berlin over Cologne because:
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HornCologne 20:27:04 Cologne already had DrupalCamp and we want to spread the love
kvantomme 20:27:23 hand
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HornCologne 20:27:33 Because Berlin is more "famous" and some North American visitors seem to be nervous about places they haven't heard of ;-)
HornCologne 20:27:59 Because Berlin is an awesome place, full of IT business, the capital of Germany, etc.
mortendk 20:28:15 hand on berlin?
amye 20:28:21 Berlin doesn't have a really active Drupal community..
m0oman 20:28:42 moo.
HornCologne 20:28:45 Berlin's Drupal community has run an awesome Drupal stand at LInuxTag for at least 2 years
HornCologne 20:28:56 and I want to make one thing very clear here:
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HornCologne 20:29:02 this is a proposal for DrupalCon Germany
HornCologne 20:29:19 our planning team includes people from Cologne, Hannover, Berlin, and many other places
mortendk 20:29:27 How many Berlin "locals" are actually in the planning group? - so they know the city? im thinking about social / drupalgangers etc?
HornCologne 20:29:28 the German Drupal scene is blossoming
adub 20:29:31 hand
fl3a 20:29:39 amye : i thinks thats not right, dug berln meets twice a month
mortendk 20:29:46 sorry if i blew the loose hand ...
HornCologne 20:29:49 Berlin locals in the group ca. 6
HornCologne 20:29:54 as far as I know
HornCologne 20:30:07 and yes, the Berlin DUG meets more often than the Cologne group :-)
amye 20:30:08 Ok, now to the project management question..
HornCologne 20:30:14 yes, As to your 2nd question, please clarify, I don't understand.
gdemet 20:31:06 hand
amye 20:31:13 We desperately need more PMs in the community, that's where this is coming from. Most often, PM sessions get thrown into 'business' track. I'm really wanting to see more of those sessions promoted.
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HornCologne 20:31:20 Ah
HornCologne 20:31:21 okay
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farriss 20:31:44 followup to the first question?
HornCologne 20:31:47 well ... if that is a concern, there is no reason not to give those sessions real prominence, or to have a PM track
HornCologne 20:31:58 but we have no control over session proposals, etc.
gdemet 20:32:04 i also have a followup to the first question, not sure if the same question farriss has
HornCologne 20:32:09 I for one, would be happy to give it more love.
farriss 20:32:25 defers to gdemet
HornCologne 20:32:27 We could consider findinf a PM guru as keynote, too. - Ideas?
HornCologne 20:32:34 gdemet
HornCologne 20:32:36 go
mortendk 20:32:42 hand
amye 20:32:49 HornCologne : I'll think on it, expect to hear much more from me on PM.
gdemet 20:32:52 my question is if this is a Drupalcon Germany proposal, is Berlin not necessarily set in stone?
luckow 20:32:56 here in berlin there are a lot of agency interested in drupal eg aperto, berlin online, pixelpark
gdemet 20:32:59 i.e., could it be another city?
HornCologne 20:33:06 amye : looking forward to it!
kvantomme 20:33:12 you do have control over session proposals: if you do a call for certain tracks, you'll get more proposals
HornCologne 20:33:21 thank you kvantomme
HornCologne 20:33:40 No, Berlin was chosen in a democratic, community process as our city
kvantomme 20:33:40 you can also have track responsibles who ask specific people to do specific talks...
HornCologne 20:33:48 but it was chosen by the German community
gdemet 20:34:00 okay, because personally speaking, i actually find Cologne easier to get to than Berlin
HornCologne 20:34:11 so do I ;-)
gdemet 20:34:38 the "more people have heard of it" argument isn't a compelling one for me
HornCologne 20:34:38 however, Berlin is only a train ride away
amye 20:34:38 gdemet : +1.
luckow 20:34:46 4 hours from cologne via train ;-)
kvantomme 20:35:01 in Cologne you would have an intercontinental hub, that puts you on the same level as London
HornCologne 20:35:05 The only reason that counts is that we had an open poll and discussions. Furthermore,
gdemet 20:35:06 Right, but adds another 4 hours to my trip from the states
HornCologne 20:35:11 we all agree it would be a great place for it.
gdemet 20:35:26 Cologne is much more accessible
m0oman 20:35:36 HornCologne : the people that voted for berlin agree. ;)
mortendk 20:35:37 hand
luckow 20:35:44 gdemet : take a plane to berlin NOT to cologne ;-)
gdemet 20:35:57 luckow : no direct flights from Chicago to Berlin
gdemet 20:36:02 but there are to Cologne
gdemet 20:36:07 and Frankfort
HornCologne 20:36:21 What can we do for you gdemet ?
luckow 20:36:27 ok. the capital of germany without a direct fly.
gdemet 20:36:50 IMO, Szeged didnt' have as many folks attending because it required a train ride from the nearest international airport
HornCologne 20:37:08 Berlin and Szeged are WORLDS apart
gdemet 20:37:14 i do understand that's less of an issue for Berlin, but it's still less accessible than other German cities
HornCologne 20:37:17 in their transport connections
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gdemet 20:37:37 HornCologne : no argument there
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HornCologne 20:37:46 I disagree, sorry. Connections to Berlin from Frankfurt and Cologne go every hour.
kvantomme 20:38:00 if the German team has closed this the discussion on this we don't need to go further in on this,
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DamZ 20:38:05 hand
mortendk 20:38:06 must admit that german trains are rock solid
HornCologne 20:38:07 Thankyou Kristof
rokr 20:38:10 gdemet : this maybe be right for direct flights from chicago. berlin has two airports and for sure more direct connections than cologne. b
kvantomme 20:38:13 this is the proposal for Berlin not for Germany
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HornCologne 20:38:26 but it is a German proposal
mortendk 20:38:29 could we move on?
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kvantomme 20:38:29 so we evaluate what's on the table, we don't need to chance the proposal
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HornCologne 20:38:32 not a Berlin-only proposal
HornCologne 20:38:35 fine
HornCologne 20:38:39 next hand was fariss
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farriss 20:38:55 I wanted to ask about the relationship with the Drupal Initiative (DI)
HornCologne 20:39:02 please do
HornCologne 20:39:26 In what regard?
farriss 20:39:40 As Germany has the first national Drupal group, I was wondering at what level they will be supporting this proposal and 2) gauge their support of the "new" model of DrupalCons with greater DA involvement
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HornCologne 20:40:32 The DI was created in the first place to support exactly such an event. As planning is still extremely provisional, the exact nature and relationship still needs to be found.
HornCologne 20:40:42 The entire leadership committee is here in this chat tonight.
mortendk 20:41:20 hand
HornCologne 20:41:22 The new model has not been without controversy in Europe in general. I cannot speak for the DI's position on this.
fl3a 20:41:22 farriss : eg. we get 1/2 price for the venue if a ngo rents it
HornCologne 20:41:31 yes, we do, that is correct.
HornCologne 20:42:10 that might even be true for the DA itself, but legal issues in Germany are always complex
mortendk 20:42:18 HornCologne : so you say that germany & DI is "As planning is still extremely provisional" is that a good working ground for drupalcon ?
rDouglass 20:42:21 farriss : sorry to interrupt: I'm here with the entire board of directors of the DI.
rDouglass 20:42:34 May I field the question?
luckow 20:42:44 yepp
farriss 20:42:44 rDouglass : yes please :)
HornCologne 20:42:45 field the question please
HornCologne 20:42:50 and Morten's follow-up
mortendk 20:43:05 rDouglass : go go
rDouglass 20:43:19 farriss : For the DI to enter a contract with the technical school in Berlin we'd first need to come to a legal agreement with the DA
rDouglass 20:43:25 We'd be willing to do so, of course.
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Tiburon 20:43:34 followup hand
rDouglass 20:43:45 We are completely legally established here.
farriss 20:43:53 so that is a requirement for that venue?
rDouglass 20:44:03 Only for the discount.
farriss 20:44:09 gotcha
rDouglass 20:44:19 If the DA doesn't want the 50% then we are unneeded.
HornCologne 20:44:28 Tiburon?
rDouglass 20:44:30 If the DA wants the 50% then we need to make a contract.
rDouglass 20:44:34 done.
Tiburon 20:44:55 I need some clarification on DI status ... just wrap my head around it ...
farriss 20:44:55 notes that we're talking about a €24,550 discount.
HornCologne 20:45:17 rDouglass , please
rDouglass 20:45:26 what's the question?
Tiburon 20:45:37 is DI an umprella organisation for the local groups, or is DI the only legal group?
Tiburon 20:45:43 .. if tat is clear
rDouglass 20:45:45 Ok.
rDouglass 20:45:54 The DI is the only legal group that I know of in Germany.
rDouglass 20:46:02 We have a license to use "Drupal" in our name
Tiburon 20:46:11 ok
rDouglass 20:46:12 we have a bank account, lawyers, and an accounting firm.
rDouglass 20:46:18 We have € in the bank,
rDouglass 20:46:24 and several events under our belts.
mortendk 20:46:34 rDouglass : which ones?
rDouglass 20:46:52 But we have no official involvement in the DrupalCon until the Drupal Association asks us to have one and makes a contract with us.
Tiburon 20:46:53 the Q was to get a picture of your structure.
Tiburon 20:47:00 done
rDouglass 20:47:07 Tiburon: did I answer?
mortendk 20:47:12 may i ask my question again ?
HornCologne 20:47:17 ask, Morty
mortendk 20:47:22 so you say that germany & DI is "As planning is still extremely provisional" is that a good working ground for drupalcon ?
mortendk 20:47:42 not that i question that we should have a drupalcon in germany - just to be clear :)
rDouglass 20:47:50 May I address mortendk ?
HornCologne 20:47:50 I would assume our planning is about as provisional as yours
HornCologne 20:48:03 until we sign contracts with the DA, we can't really begin
mortendk 20:48:06 HornCologne : copenhagen +1 outside ;)
HornCologne 20:48:08 rDouglass , go
rDouglass 20:48:11 Ok.
farriss 20:48:20 rDouglass : so for this relationship between the DA and the DI, do you envision the DI as providing access to the venue discount primarily or having other fiscal/fiduciary responsibility as well?
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rDouglass 20:48:36 farriss : I'll answer that after mortendk
HornCologne 20:48:39 farriss , hand please
farriss 20:48:44 hand
HornCologne 20:48:53 rDouglass has the floor
rDouglass 20:49:08 mortendk : There is unclarity in the current system when it comes to the legal responsibilities of the local group and the legal relationship with the DA.
isabell 20:49:17 are you guys still taking the hands into account from earlier?
isabell 20:49:23 if not, here is mine again
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rDouglass 20:49:33 HornCologne said "extremely provisional" in part because this question has not been fully answered by the DA.
kvantomme 20:49:41 my hand too ;)
HornCologne 20:49:50 now rDouglass answers two questions, them Luckow (if still relevant), then isabell
adub 20:49:55 my hand too
HornCologne 20:49:55 them kvantomme
HornCologne 20:49:59 then adub
rDouglass 20:50:00 Now, to farriss
rDouglass 20:50:17 The DI would gladly facilitate DrupalCon in Berlin.
rDouglass 20:50:22 That is what we were created to do.
rDouglass 20:50:40 But as we are a formal legal entity we'd need a formal legal understanding with the DA.
rDouglass 20:50:52 We would gladly enable the DA to get the discount
mortendk 20:50:55 hand
rDouglass 20:51:12 and have no further demands, as long as the contract doesn't expose us to extra riscks.
rDouglass 20:51:15 risks.
DamZ 20:51:23 I had a hand, too
rDouglass 20:51:26 farriss : did that address your question?
farriss 20:51:34 rDouglass : yes absolutely thanks
rDouglass 20:51:38 done
HornCologne 20:51:42 ah, sorry DamZ
HornCologne 20:51:46 okay - DamZ , please
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HornCologne 20:52:11 Then: isabell , kvantomme , adub and Morty
DamZ 20:52:37 I would like to know what you consider the main objectives of Drupalcon Berlin are?
HornCologne 20:52:49 fantastic question, thank you
DamZ 20:52:56 ie. what would make a successful Drupalcon Berlin in your opinion?
HornCologne 20:53:05 This will take a sec ...
HornCologne 20:53:26 So Germany is a puzzling place to be in Drupal - German is the 2nd most used Drupal translation
HornCologne 20:53:34 and the 2nd most used internet language
HornCologne 20:53:52 but for all the Drupal shops here and all the Drupal devs,
HornCologne 20:54:06 there is some motivation missing and some community feeling missing
HornCologne 20:54:18 we need to come together as a community and as a project
HornCologne 20:54:29 to help Drupal break through in the German-speaking countries
HornCologne 20:54:40 (German is the native language of 100 million people)
HornCologne 20:54:46 and there is huge potential here
HornCologne 20:54:55 for work and projects and all that
HornCologne 20:55:02 We think that a well-promoted Drupal con
mortendk 20:55:03 hand?
HornCologne 20:55:19 would bring the Germans together with the rest of Europe
HornCologne 20:55:22 and the world
HornCologne 20:55:48 We think a DrupalCon can bring new developers into the fold
DamZ 20:55:48 "well-promoted"... in which audience?
HornCologne 20:55:55 and new clients, too
HornCologne 20:55:59 well- promoted
HornCologne 20:56:15 to enterprize, government, NGP, developers, universities, libraries
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HornCologne 20:56:23 but I mean with intelligent use of media
HornCologne 20:56:33 berlin has a huge IT base
HornCologne 20:56:34 includeing
HornCologne 20:56:36 including
HornCologne 20:56:41 sap, microsoft, ebay, avm, easynet, strato, interoute, materna, teles, Aastra DeTeWe, Symantec (Deutschland) GmbH, ]init[ AG, Capgemini sd&m, Condat AG, Fraunhofer FOKUS, Fraunhofer ISST, Infopark, inubit AG, Ferrari electronic AG, Lufthansa Systems Berlin GmbH, tarent GmbH
mortendk 20:56:53 isnt thats why we have drupalcamps a con should be for europe + usa - not just germany ? it seems like the main reason is to get the germans together?
HornCologne 20:56:54 we can get them on board with some hard work
HornCologne 20:57:13 Morten: the Germans need to meet you
HornCologne 20:57:18 and you need to meet the Germans
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HornCologne 20:57:24 I wasn't finished ...
mortendk 20:57:35 HornCologne : yup thats why i go to camps ;) (and metal festivals) ;)
mortendk 20:57:58 may i play badcop HornCologne ?
Cyberschorsch 20:58:03 didnt met you @wacken :P
HornCologne 20:58:17 go ahead, Morty
mortendk 20:58:20 Cyberschorsch : nopes was Backstage ;)
isabell 20:58:31 can we stay focused please?
mortendk 20:58:31 So are Berlin ready for 2010 - or is it 2011 if you could pick & choose?
mortendk 20:58:45 i would like to kick around a bit if thats okay ?
HornCologne 20:58:49 We will do a great job at whatever we are allowed to
fl3a 20:58:49 2010
Druplicon 20:58:50 http://drupal.org/node/2010 => Redo => Drupal, base system, normal, closed, 2 comments, 4 IRC mentions
adub 20:59:06 2012?
HornCologne 20:59:18 We have a provisional booking (option) at the TU venue already for 2010
mortendk 20:59:20 but you want to sign up a ton of companys and dont wanna fund a person fulltime for it ?
HornCologne 20:59:50 It is not really a question of "want to" - we understood the requirements to be senza full-timers
HornCologne 20:59:58 if that has changed, we are agile
mortendk 21:00:02 i have a hard time seeing that beeing realistic ?
HornCologne 21:00:13 I have told you the same thing every time you have asked
HornCologne 21:00:17 it is not set in stone
HornCologne 21:00:18 thank you
HornCologne 21:00:20 NEXT
mortendk 21:00:23 HornCologne : but you dont think the community could finf the money ?
HornCologne 21:00:31 kvantomme
mortendk 21:00:36 damn no more badcop
kvantomme 21:00:59 the proposal has a lot of general talk about business, but very little specifics. Can you tell a couple of bigger names that we'll definitely see in Berlin? e.g. do some namedropping?
amye 21:01:26 HornCologne : I'm trying to follow the 'senza full-timers' comment, and I don't think I understand. Help clarify?
kvantomme 21:01:27 you gave a list earlier of loads of it companies, but do you have any that already agreed to be there?
HornCologne 21:01:29 no namedropping, because in Germany one cannot go to companies liek the ones I mentioned above without specifics and certainties
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HornCologne 21:01:46 amye : senza == without
HornCologne 21:01:48 sorry
kvantomme 21:01:55 aren't there any already in the community?
kvantomme 21:02:05 any showed up on camps?
gdemet 21:02:11 hand
AndreasHaugstrup 21:02:14 hand
HornCologne 21:02:52 At DrupalCamp Germany
HornCologne 21:02:57 we had the UN and several companies
HornCologne 21:03:17 but as I said, one of the tipping points that we need in Germany is a massive event to bring more enterprizes on board
HornCologne 21:03:40 "communitx" is a difficult concept here and certainly not on most business plans ;-)
amye 21:03:45 HornCologne : Thank you.
HornCologne 21:03:52 adub , you are up
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adub 21:04:09 OK sorry I came in a bit late and this may been covered
HornCologne 21:04:14 no sweat
adub 21:04:29 a question about the venue: what is the capacity of the largest room?
kvantomme 21:04:48 1200 I believe
adub 21:04:49 (seated obviously)
HornCologne 21:05:08 luckow - you know
luckow 21:05:10 1000 + people take a look at room 105 http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephan_luckow/4004871670/in/set-7215762256...
kvantomme 21:05:11 that was in the proposal
adub 21:05:29 so my estimate for 2011 is 2-3000 people - how will they see the keynotes?
HornCologne 21:05:47 will have to be solved with technology
HornCologne 21:05:58 it is very hard to justify renting a 3000 person room
HornCologne 21:06:00 for a week
HornCologne 21:06:06 for 2 hours of keynote
luckow 21:06:18 there is second room (called 104) for 1000 + people http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephan_luckow/4004106033/
HornCologne 21:06:28 until we do DrupalCons in stadiums :-D
HornCologne 21:06:31 okay, now gdemet
gdemet 21:06:37 does the proposed venue have climate control/ air conditioning
HornCologne 21:06:44 Yes.
luckow 21:06:46 we could use a live stream to other rooms
HornCologne 21:06:55 And Berlin's climate is very, very comfortable
HornCologne 21:06:57 not hot, not cold
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adub 21:07:10 this was one of the big reasons the uk proposal switched from Cambridge
HornCologne 21:07:16 ah
luckow 21:07:24 clinate control: sorry i forget this kind of question ;-)
HornCologne 21:07:34 The TU is a full-time university and houses 100s of people every day
HornCologne 21:07:38 1000s of people
adub 21:07:47 maximum room capacity in cambridge was 1400 and we felt this wasn't serious
HornCologne 21:07:52 we would be there in the summer break
HornCologne 21:08:06 adub : What do you mean "wasn't serious"?
mortendk 21:08:37 well we know that europe isnt gonna explode as fast as in the states we dont have the same confrence meetup culture
luckow 21:08:41 in september normally is about 20 degrees celsius
adub 21:08:45 we felt it was crucial that everyone could see the keynotes
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mortendk 21:09:09 adub : were here to discuss berlin not uk ;)
HornCologne 21:09:10 In this case, this is a weakness of our proposal - but everything else about the venue, location and especially price seems to be a perfect fit.
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HornCologne 21:09:23 The beer's also cheaper in Berlin ;-)
adub 21:09:28 done
HornCologne 21:09:32 thank you
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mortendk 21:09:40 hand
HornCologne 21:09:40 AndreasHaugstrup , go.
AndreasHaugstrup 21:09:55 A low-level practical question: Food. I see the proposal is to use the university cafeteria and then I saw luckow 's photo of the saddest chicken I've ever seen and a menu with more of the same and no vegetarian options at all. While cheap do you consider this adequate catering for DrupalCon?
HornCologne 21:10:16 Personally, no. But this would probably tie in to
HornCologne 21:10:25 over questions of CO2, "green" and all that.
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HornCologne 21:10:34 We need to weigh the price of catering
HornCologne 21:10:40 internally vs. externally
HornCologne 21:11:01 our hope is to be a green as practicable - without increasing costs astronomically by doing so
luckow 21:11:02 as you see at http://www.studentenwerk-berlin.de/mensen/speiseplan/tu/index.html there is a vegetarian and an organic option every day
HornCologne 21:11:22 how this affects the catering situation is open right now
luckow 21:11:23 btw. the chicken was delicious ;-)
HornCologne 21:11:40 and also part of the negotiations to be done with the venue
mortendk 21:11:43 im loking forward to 4 days with "Pizza mit Schinken und Ananas" ;)
HornCologne 21:11:47 :-D
kvantomme 21:12:02 hand
AndreasHaugstrup 21:12:04 luckow : I couldn't be paid to eat that thing :p
HornCologne 21:12:04 Does this sound fair?
AndreasHaugstrup 21:12:24 HornCologne : yes, thank you
mortendk 21:12:29 hand
HornCologne 21:12:29 kvantomme
kvantomme 21:12:54 you shortly touched on the green topic, could you expand on that a bit more?
HornCologne 21:12:59 happy to
macode 21:13:07 AndreasHaugstrup : there are many restaurants next to the university. you can go there to have a better meal
HornCologne 21:13:20 1 - public transport almost 24 hours a day - ticket included in con price
HornCologne 21:13:35 2 - best effort to source locally (everything: paper, food, etc.)
HornCologne 21:13:54 3 - Germany has extremely highly developed recycling systems in place
HornCologne 21:14:07 80% of all packaging is recycled here
AndreasHaugstrup 21:14:26 macode : not ideal since you really don't want to break people up mid-day. All experiences show that people do not return in time or at all. Those who were at the comparatively speaking tiny drupalcon in bruxelles can attest to that
HornCologne 21:14:31 4 - We will asses best option between paper/porcelain cups and so on.
HornCologne 21:14:36 HAND SYSTEM
HornCologne 21:14:42 TAKE IS BACKCHANNEL
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kvantomme 21:14:48 Who is going to make the green stuff happen?
HornCologne 21:14:58 Wasn't quite finished, but
macode 21:15:00 AndreasHaugstrup : join #drupalconfood
kvantomme 21:15:09 please continue ;)
HornCologne 21:15:25 it will be a core value of the whole team, as it is something of a core value of life here.
HornCologne 21:15:49 Germany is a very good place to do "green stuff" because reusable bottle are everywhere, for example.
HornCologne 21:16:06 Contractors will not think we are crazy for asking for it.
amye 21:16:19 Checking out. I can't really support this kind of rudeness in a meeting.
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kvantomme 21:16:55 please consider making this 1 person's job, who will actually look after this
HornCologne 21:17:13 Very happy to, yes, it makes sense to have one person focusing on it.
kvantomme 21:17:27 let me be clear, I believe in green, but I don't think it's the same important as reaching loads of people, but since it's in the scorecard
HornCologne 21:17:46 I think
dikini_ 21:17:59 any plans/ideas about offsetting travel -re green stuff
HornCologne 21:18:02 it should be done to the level it can while not making our fundamental goals impractical
kvantomme 21:18:10 agreed
HornCologne 21:18:22 Green travel and carbon offsets: I honestly don't know what they cost.
mortendk 21:18:29 hand
HornCologne 21:18:50 If you can build me a system that averages out the total Con travel over all modalities, and what the carobon offsets would cost, we can talk about it.
HornCologne 21:18:57 Morty, go!!!
mortendk 21:19:14 i wanna shift to social ?
mortendk 21:19:17 if thats okay
HornCologne 21:19:25 Sure ... our beer costs half as much ...
mortendk 21:19:36 HornCologne : yup and all taste like water ;)
mortendk 21:19:39 whats the plan with social / drupalgangers is that gonna be done adhoc as in paris
HornCologne 21:19:45 oldest beer purity laws in the world
mortendk 21:20:13 HornCologne : i know carlsberg stole loads from germanz ;)
mortendk 21:20:13 but back to my question
mortendk 21:20:13 whats the plan with social / drupalgangers is that gonna be done adhoc as in paris
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HornCologne 21:20:30 DrupalGangers: Berlin is a fantastic place to visit.
HornCologne 21:20:44 We have concentrated on the Drupal and logistical part of planning so far
mortendk 21:21:04 HornCologne : okay so thats gonna be put in the plan at some time?
HornCologne 21:21:21 But the DurpalGangers are a tradition that will easily be served in Berlin
mortendk 21:21:21 i know theres museums in berlin ;)
HornCologne 21:21:39 there is an incredible cultural scene
mortendk 21:21:42 but berlin will not put workforce into it ?
HornCologne 21:21:46 more classical music than almost anywhere, etc. etc.
HornCologne 21:21:59 Sure we will, someone will cover that, too.
HornCologne 21:22:10 I think fl3a probaly will be the man
dikini_ 21:22:13 mortendk : meet you at Rosies :)
mortendk 21:22:18 hey im not asking about if you have culture...
mortendk 21:22:56 so the same thing with hotels?
HornCologne 21:22:56 We will address the DrupalGangers, but our 1st priority in the short time available was focused on other issues
fl3a 21:23:06 mortendk : yes
mortendk 21:23:19 HornCologne : which was?
HornCologne 21:23:55 venue, "green", transit, accessibility, tracs, other FOSS communities, our community, tracks, etc.
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HornCologne 21:24:43 Were there more hands? We have a couple of questions.
mortendk 21:24:45 my thing is that i see this sketch in the proposal, but i cant see how that would be put together in a huuuuge city like berlin with so few local "berliners"(is it called that) or is the plan to get more locals in on drupalcon
farriss 21:25:10 thanks the Berlin team for all their efforts. This has been very helpful, but another meeting calls...
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mortendk 21:25:52 anyone on my last innnocent qustion? ;)
HornCologne 21:25:54 I think we've talked enough about Berlin and the team, Morten.
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mortendk 21:26:12 HornCologne : well i dont thats why i ask
mortendk 21:26:34 but okay if its gonna go unansered lets moveon then
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HornCologne 21:26:49 There will be as many locals as we can get. Blue Project will be there. The TU university is very central and the event will be concentrated in a small area of the city.
mortendk 21:27:30 hand
HornCologne 21:27:30 All of the team has event experience, including LinuxTag with 10,000 visitors ...
HornCologne 21:27:30 MOrten
mortendk 21:27:30 -and im moving on
luckow 21:27:30 if you need a cheap hostel try eg http://book.easyhotel.com/city.asp?query=germany+berlin+de+ber
mortendk 21:27:46 luckow : im not booking hotels right now ; )
luckow 21:27:56 hey. first come first serve
mortendk 21:28:03 huh only me that haves the askhat on?
HornCologne 21:28:23 done?
HornCologne 21:28:30 We have some questions for the DA team.
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rDouglass 21:28:43 mortendk is a total askhat
kvantomme 21:28:48 that's only me right now I think
mortendk 21:28:50 rDouglass : yup and i ahve more but i dont wanna be a hard ass ;)
HornCologne 21:29:08 kvantomme : How do we coordinate between local sponsors, national sponsors, international sponsors and the DA? There's a difference between the local coffee company and Google.
kvantomme 21:29:14 and of course rDouglass , but he depends what team you mean ;)
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rDouglass 21:29:48 can I answer HornCologne 's question?
kvantomme 21:30:19 sure
rDouglass 21:30:20 If the sponsor is of the ongoing nature then we refer them to the DA
rDouglass 21:30:30 so that we can maintain a long term relationship
rDouglass 21:30:36 and have a good sponsor experience.
rDouglass 21:30:44 The local coffee shop is a 1 off sponsor
rDouglass 21:30:57 in the case of a Berlin DrupalCon they can become sponsors of the DI
HornCologne 21:31:16 Fair enough - I think this will have to be included in any contracts that get set up.
rDouglass 21:31:16 and the relationship will have a local nature and still support the DrupalCOn.
HornCologne 21:31:24 Next question: What does the DA really want from a "Trade Fair" - this wasn't clearly defined anywhere.
HornCologne 21:31:40 We have the space and can facilitate if the concept is clear.
kvantomme 21:31:43 can I continue a bit on sponsorship?
kvantomme 21:32:01 of course you would have to coordinate with the DA about visibility you will provide to that sponsor
kvantomme 21:32:19 so that the coffee company doesn't outshine the platinum sponsors
kvantomme 21:32:24 so trade fair...
HornCologne 21:32:29 I assume there would be coordination ahead of time as to sponsorship prices and packages
kvantomme 21:32:38 of course
HornCologne 21:32:43 and that it wouldn't be on a case by case basis
HornCologne 21:32:54 but clear beforehand
rDouglass 21:32:56 But nothing has to be set in stone until Berlin is chosen in this regard.
rDouglass 21:32:56 For now we should assume that the DA handles all sponsorships
rDouglass 21:32:56 The local coffee shop isn't going to offer 30,000€ anyway.
rDouglass 21:32:57 done.
HornCologne 21:33:04 okay
HornCologne 21:33:10 Trade fair, please.
kvantomme 21:33:19 trade fair, well you are the proposers
HornCologne 21:33:52 It was a clear requirement for the proposal
kvantomme 21:33:55 this is your area to shine I think
HornCologne 21:34:00 we have a wonderful space for it at the TU
kvantomme 21:34:04 yes, we are looking to you for concepts
HornCologne 21:34:13 Sorry, that is a cop-out.
kvantomme 21:34:19 how do you imagine it?
luckow 21:34:20 local sponsors as requested: http://www.puretea.de/ http://saftblog.de/ (typical sponsor for german barcamps)
kvantomme 21:35:06 the local group is responsible for giving a drupalcon it's flavour
HornCologne 21:35:11 yes ...
HornCologne 21:35:19 but the DA specifically asked for a trade fair
kvantomme 21:35:19 what kind of fair you put up is part of that
kvantomme 21:35:35 well but there is loads of space in how you approach this
HornCologne 21:35:41 fine - you don't know either. We can work with that, I guess.
HornCologne 21:36:10 We are hoping to address several vertical markets that are good for Drupal
HornCologne 21:36:18 and the trade fair could be a good moment
HornCologne 21:36:21 to do that
kvantomme 21:36:26 voila
HornCologne 21:36:27 Drupal+
luckow 21:36:28 there are two possible spaces for the sponsorship: the atrium http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephan_luckow/4004868074/in/set-7215762256...
luckow 21:36:28 and the space between the two biggest rooms http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephan_luckow/4004104451/in/set-7215762256...
mortendk 21:36:51 luckow : when are the dates? you have planned?
HornCologne 21:36:58 The Drupal+ idea has already been used at some events and is a fantastic opportunity to invite
HornCologne 21:37:08 businesspeople and enterprises
HornCologne 21:37:14 to get to knoe Drupal
luckow 21:37:55 06.09- 10.09 5 days in wonderful berlin
luckow 21:37:55 #
HornCologne 21:38:14 So ...
luckow 21:38:14 so - arrive the weekend before (fore the metal concerts in berlin) and stay the weekend after the con (for teccno eg.)
HornCologne 21:38:17 Feels like we're done, except for mortendk .
kvantomme 21:38:25 he's never done :P
luckow 21:38:31 ;-)
HornCologne 21:38:32 my point exactly!
HornCologne 21:38:35 ;-)
macode 21:38:37 :D
kvantomme 21:38:37 that's a true viking for you
mortendk 21:38:47 HornCologne : nopes i have asked my Qs and got the answers
kvantomme 21:39:02 ok then I think this is it
HornCologne 21:39:07 alright
HornCologne 21:39:10 thank you all for coming
HornCologne 21:39:13 any more questions
kvantomme 21:39:13 is there anybody objecting against publishing the logs?
mortendk 21:39:17 so sweet that the germans took iup the challenge
HornCologne 21:39:18 please post them in our proposal thread
kvantomme 21:39:22 if not, who will publish them?
mortendk 21:39:30 and remember we doing it again tomorrow at 21.00
Druplicon 21:39:34 http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210 => DrupalCon Europe 2010 / 2011 in Berlin [UPDATE] => 5 comments, 6 IRC mentions
mortendk 21:39:38 Tiburon: haves them
kvantomme 21:39:53 so who is publishing?
fl3a 21:39:56 kvantomme : i wold publich ist
Tiburon 21:39:58 I have the log .. but can still not post at g.d.o .. sync issues
kvantomme 21:40:01 k thx
mortendk 21:40:03 well one of ze germans ?
HornCologne 21:40:03 We are not doing this again, just drop us a line in our comments! http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210#comment-96242
Druplicon 21:40:05 http://groups.drupal.org/node/28210 => DrupalCon Europe 2010 / 2011 in Berlin [UPDATE] => 5 comments, 7 IRC mentions
Tiburon 21:40:12 will post on drupalcon.dk and somone can copy from there
macode 21:40:23 fl3a : you have a really good english!
HornCologne 21:40:26 We can publish ok g.d.o. on our thread
kvantomme 21:40:33 mortendk : I won't be able to make it
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luckow 21:40:57 thanks for your time. see you in berlin
kvantomme 21:40:57 HornCologne : yes please
mortendk 21:41:03 kvantomme : well were gonna be there and see if anyone wanna kick our ass
HornCologne 21:41:06 will do.
mortendk 21:41:09 luckow : when? ;)
luckow 21:41:14 2010
kvantomme 21:41:14 good evening!
Druplicon 21:41:15 http://drupal.org/node/2010 => Redo => Drupal, base system, normal, closed, 2 comments, 5 IRC mentions
Druplicon 21:41:15 Somewhere in the world...
Tiburon 21:41:20 HornCologne : ok ... i'll ping you when the log is up
HornCologne 21:41:26 thanks
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mortendk 21:41:43 thanx im gonna go to the designers talk
mortendk 21:41:45 later yall
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bertboerland 21:42:06 thanks all
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#drupalconfood
AndreasHaugstrup 21:15:17 hallo! :)
macode 21:15:21 hey
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macode 21:15:28 deutsch oder english?
Tiburon 21:16:07 I prefer English
AndreasHaugstrup 21:16:20 have not spoken german since high school :)
AndreasHaugstrup 21:16:32 I can order my food in german but that's about it
macode 21:16:38 for example at the "republica", an web-confrence at berlin, groups of atendees went an restaurent an had a meal there
macode 21:16:51 if you stay in time its no problem
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m0oman 21:17:55 schnitzel!
AndreasHaugstrup 21:18:29 i've only had trouble with it. it takes a shitload of planning and coordinating with the area restaurants. drop as little as 12 people in a place that's not ready and you won't get your meal for the first 50 minutes.... and then you have 10 minutes to eat and pay and get back to the venue
AndreasHaugstrup 21:18:43 inevitably lunch ends up taking two hours....
macode 21:19:02 so the question if you prefer to pay 4 times as much for food outside the location or eat some "mensa-food" for 4 days
AndreasHaugstrup 21:20:13 my personal choice would be to pay 2-3 times as much as mensa and have it be handled by a caterer at the venue...
Tiburon 21:20:42 macode : is the cafeteria ready/geared to take allergies into account?
AndreasHaugstrup 21:20:49 it more strongly encourage people to stay (those who want to leave will leave regardless)
m0oman 21:20:59 that's true.
m0oman 21:20:59 my experience even with the highly awarded cantines is good enough for me to bring my mobile electric hamburger and steak-grill before completely relying on that sort of thing. ;)
AndreasHaugstrup 21:21:05 Tiburon: they must be... they serve students every day
m0oman 21:21:24 i wouldn't underestimate the influence good/bad food can have on the general mood.
m0oman 21:21:49 so if it's mensa-food, it needs to be made sure that it's at least good mensa-food.
Tiburon 21:21:58 I don't know how they do it in Germany, but don't count on it. Most likely you have to explicit ask for it in advance
macode 21:21:59 Tiburon: you can have a look at the menu at http://www.studentenwerk-berlin.de/mensen/speiseplan/tu/index.html
m0oman 21:22:08 (however, it's not like i have any right to claim anything anyway)
macode 21:22:19 Tiburon: if you dont know german, yes, their are prepared
Tiburon 21:23:12 macode : I used Google Translate earlier on that page ... ahh ... tha markings at the bottom
m0oman 21:23:42 in karlsruhe and bochum they have something people call a "luxus-linie" - which is generally a handful of meals you can choose from that are a bit more pricey but also normally quite nice.
m0oman 21:24:14 is something like this available in berlin?
AndreasHaugstrup 21:24:34 what I fear you end up doing by sending people to the cafeteria is that you disappoint the people who are not paying for their food (covered by their company/employer). They dont have patience for that kind of food. Those are typically the "strong" participants at a conference like drupalcon and you want them to stay and not leave for 2 hours to eat lunch somewhere else
m0oman 21:26:16 AndreasHaugstrup : very good point.
macode 21:26:17 m0oman : nope
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